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		<title>By: jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 15:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always found the stock market a hard concept to grasp. No matter how many books I read I can never quiet decide on the type of trader I am, and therefore am fairly reluctant to start. 

I guess for now my money is confined to my &lt;a href="http://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/personal/current-accounts" rel="nofollow"&gt;current account&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always found the stock market a hard concept to grasp. No matter how many books I read I can never quiet decide on the type of trader I am, and therefore am fairly reluctant to start. </p>
<p>I guess for now my money is confined to my <a href="http://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/personal/current-accounts" rel="nofollow">current account</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://foolswisdom.com/dollars-forex-stocks-gambling/comment-page-1/#comment-105284</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I find it hard to play the stock market. Guess I am never cut out to be doing that. To me, I thought I studied the market well, but I always find myself at the wrong side of the market.  So it is more like gambling than investment.

And I do agree that most sites gives garbage advise.  You have those Larry, tradeaday etc membership and they just give you some trades which of course over time, some will strike.  But nevertheless, it is a waste of money

But if anyone can time the market well, it is really a great job to have.  Sigh...guess I will not be one of them.  And btw, am I glad I stayed out of stock market over the last years..The sub prime thing will probably have killed me had I stayed on to play...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I find it hard to play the stock market. Guess I am never cut out to be doing that. To me, I thought I studied the market well, but I always find myself at the wrong side of the market.  So it is more like gambling than investment.</p>
<p>And I do agree that most sites gives garbage advise.  You have those Larry, tradeaday etc membership and they just give you some trades which of course over time, some will strike.  But nevertheless, it is a waste of money</p>
<p>But if anyone can time the market well, it is really a great job to have.  Sigh&#8230;guess I will not be one of them.  And btw, am I glad I stayed out of stock market over the last years..The sub prime thing will probably have killed me had I stayed on to play&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://foolswisdom.com/dollars-forex-stocks-gambling/comment-page-1/#comment-104819</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gambling is directly profiting from capitol generated through another individual/group of individuals misfortune.

Trading the markets is definitely a risky business, but keeping a level head, being patient and not being greedy it's possible to make a steady flow of income from trading currencies.

I rarely invest in the equity market anymore, and focus mainly on forex. It's no get rich quick scheme, it's just another form of risky investment. But it has advantages over equity markets.

The possibility to trade 24h/5.5 days a week, and the liquidity can't be matched by any stock exchange in the world.

PS regarding your other post. Well done on making your adsense revenue a charity gift.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gambling is directly profiting from capitol generated through another individual/group of individuals misfortune.</p>
<p>Trading the markets is definitely a risky business, but keeping a level head, being patient and not being greedy it&#8217;s possible to make a steady flow of income from trading currencies.</p>
<p>I rarely invest in the equity market anymore, and focus mainly on forex. It&#8217;s no get rich quick scheme, it&#8217;s just another form of risky investment. But it has advantages over equity markets.</p>
<p>The possibility to trade 24h/5.5 days a week, and the liquidity can&#8217;t be matched by any stock exchange in the world.</p>
<p>PS regarding your other post. Well done on making your adsense revenue a charity gift.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bracken</title>
		<link>http://foolswisdom.com/dollars-forex-stocks-gambling/comment-page-1/#comment-104541</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Bracken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 07:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard the comparison of investing to gambling often, and it's a pretty defensible position, but I'm not sure I agree with it -- though I suspect it's a matter of terminology.

Perhaps the key similarity between gambling and investing is that you're exposing yourself to a risk with the expectation of a reward.  

In gambling, that risk may be random (lottery tickets, slot machines, VLTs) or there may be some aspect of skill involved (poker, etc.) but the odds will never be in your favour unless the casino is in the business of losing money.  In the short term, you may make or lose money, but over the long term, your losses should fairly accurately reflect the odds of the game being played.

In the case of investing, you hold your assets in cash, bonds, equities or other securities, but not matter what you choose (even cash), you're exposing yourself to a risk.  Again, in the short time you may experience gains and losses, but over the long term, your performance should very closely reflect the historical returns of that asset or mix of assets.  The S&#38;P500 has returned an average of 10.43%/year between Jan 1926 - Dec 2007.  Bonds return a fixed coupon which is clearly known as well.

In both cases you expose yourself to risk with the expectation of a reward.  If so, then what's the difference?  I'd argue it's the connotation: a rational person would not gamble, but they would invest -- over long periods of time.  In the short term, the returns on both may appear random, but long term one is a sensible strategy and the other isn't.

That said, most investment advisers (and I am not one, so consult your local CPA etc.) advise against "market timing" as an investment strategy.  I'd argue market timing *is* gambling; you're trying to profit by hoping the market does something.  The market doesn't care what any of us thinks or hopes, in exactly the same way as the machine that cranks out the winning lotto numbers doesn't care what ritual I go through to decide what my lucky numbers are.  

Math tells us that a diverse asset allocation across several asset classes is a sensible way of reducing your risk exposure and evening out your returns.  And, as a guy who enjoys math... even stats... that seems like a good way to go to me.

Why is putting all your assets in plain Canadian cash not the end-all solution?  Think about it this way: you may have 'lost' money (as someone who intends to spend in Canada), but you haven't if you intend to spend it in the US.  Similarly, you've gained money by not investing it in an S&#38;P index fund over the last 6 months, but you've lost compared to someone who shorted Toyota stock.  

In other words, no matter what you do, someone made a better investment and someone made a worse one -- but in the long term, you're likely to approach the expected returns for the allocation you've selected.  Just remember that lotto tickets and blackjack are not likely to be a sound 'investment' strategy, but they are definitely gambling :)

And yes, I agree with you â€” most â€œinvestmentâ€ sites giving advice on particular strategies are garbage. If working in equities has taught me anything, itâ€™s that nobody knows what the market is going to do in the short term (and by that I mean anything short of a few decades!) even if long term thereâ€™s a pretty clear trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard the comparison of investing to gambling often, and it&#8217;s a pretty defensible position, but I&#8217;m not sure I agree with it &#8212; though I suspect it&#8217;s a matter of terminology.</p>
<p>Perhaps the key similarity between gambling and investing is that you&#8217;re exposing yourself to a risk with the expectation of a reward.  </p>
<p>In gambling, that risk may be random (lottery tickets, slot machines, VLTs) or there may be some aspect of skill involved (poker, etc.) but the odds will never be in your favour unless the casino is in the business of losing money.  In the short term, you may make or lose money, but over the long term, your losses should fairly accurately reflect the odds of the game being played.</p>
<p>In the case of investing, you hold your assets in cash, bonds, equities or other securities, but not matter what you choose (even cash), you&#8217;re exposing yourself to a risk.  Again, in the short time you may experience gains and losses, but over the long term, your performance should very closely reflect the historical returns of that asset or mix of assets.  The S&amp;P500 has returned an average of 10.43%/year between Jan 1926 - Dec 2007.  Bonds return a fixed coupon which is clearly known as well.</p>
<p>In both cases you expose yourself to risk with the expectation of a reward.  If so, then what&#8217;s the difference?  I&#8217;d argue it&#8217;s the connotation: a rational person would not gamble, but they would invest &#8212; over long periods of time.  In the short term, the returns on both may appear random, but long term one is a sensible strategy and the other isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That said, most investment advisers (and I am not one, so consult your local CPA etc.) advise against &#8220;market timing&#8221; as an investment strategy.  I&#8217;d argue market timing *is* gambling; you&#8217;re trying to profit by hoping the market does something.  The market doesn&#8217;t care what any of us thinks or hopes, in exactly the same way as the machine that cranks out the winning lotto numbers doesn&#8217;t care what ritual I go through to decide what my lucky numbers are.  </p>
<p>Math tells us that a diverse asset allocation across several asset classes is a sensible way of reducing your risk exposure and evening out your returns.  And, as a guy who enjoys math&#8230; even stats&#8230; that seems like a good way to go to me.</p>
<p>Why is putting all your assets in plain Canadian cash not the end-all solution?  Think about it this way: you may have &#8216;lost&#8217; money (as someone who intends to spend in Canada), but you haven&#8217;t if you intend to spend it in the US.  Similarly, you&#8217;ve gained money by not investing it in an S&amp;P index fund over the last 6 months, but you&#8217;ve lost compared to someone who shorted Toyota stock.  </p>
<p>In other words, no matter what you do, someone made a better investment and someone made a worse one &#8212; but in the long term, you&#8217;re likely to approach the expected returns for the allocation you&#8217;ve selected.  Just remember that lotto tickets and blackjack are not likely to be a sound &#8216;investment&#8217; strategy, but they are definitely gambling <img src='http://foolswisdom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And yes, I agree with you â€” most â€œinvestmentâ€ sites giving advice on particular strategies are garbage. If working in equities has taught me anything, itâ€™s that nobody knows what the market is going to do in the short term (and by that I mean anything short of a few decades!) even if long term thereâ€™s a pretty clear trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Ling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The situation with Jerome Kerviel and SocGen is not as straight forward as it looks. The Bank announced it's raising capital worth $8 billion something. They can't just make a decision like this in response to a single crisis. Their subprime losses were only about $3 billion. No way they would have planned to raise $8 billion. Surely they knew more than they're telling, or at least they knew about this problem before hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The situation with Jerome Kerviel and SocGen is not as straight forward as it looks. The Bank announced it&#8217;s raising capital worth $8 billion something. They can&#8217;t just make a decision like this in response to a single crisis. Their subprime losses were only about $3 billion. No way they would have planned to raise $8 billion. Surely they knew more than they&#8217;re telling, or at least they knew about this problem before hand.</p>
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